Posts by Jonathan Drake

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Jonathan Drake

If you've seen the debate between Cardinal Pell and Dawkins, you were likely surprised like I was to hear Pell state that the Church's position on Adam and Eve was that it was just a story to explain some nonsense. (Can't remember exactly what his explanation was.)

I just watched the entire thing. Cardinal Pell can't keep his story straight. First he says atheism brings bad to the world, blaming it for Hitler and Stalin, then later in the same hour he says atheists aren't inherently evil and have the same hopes as everyone else.

also I'm sorry, but he's wrong - an allegorical view of Adam and Eve is just a recent act of desperation by the faithful. It has never ever been viewed as any other way than literal until evidence disproved they ever lived. Making it anything but literal completely destroys the entire faith.

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Jonathan Drake

JD, the bible has ~ 35 000 verses, and the law of averages indicates that there have to be some coincidental matches- and their contradictions. "fill and subdue", would be a evolutionary commission to dinosaurs too.

How do you reconcile the Fall of Adam and Eve and subsequent necessity of a messiah with the proven fact through evolutionary genetics that there was never any Adam and Eve, thus no fall, no sin, and no need for Jesus?

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Jonathan Drake

Oh okay. It read like you were saying the bible luckily landed an evolution reference and I was just confused by that to the point of dyslexia.

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Jonathan Drake

religious people should embrace the idea, that like everything else, our world-view is evolving. the feared death is not imperfection, but a natural consequence of existence. new ideas, new discoveries pop up like good mutations and if proven successful, fitting the situation, advance us. " fill and subdue" is a lucky hit in the bible, it means we are the new kid on the block on this planet, tops, and creation, evolution thrives on success.

😧 what does this say...? I CAN'T read anymore!!! 😫

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McKinney Texas pool party?

by Marvin Shilmer in

so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

Jonathan Drake

Wait wait wait, this might be golden.

realtalk are you Paulo?

because if you're Paulo, let's review:

you make posts k. Your posts violated posting guidelines which Simon removed and then provided to you to follow in a pm. You rebelled against this authority instead of respecting it and got banned. Instead of learning your lesson you come back and continue to disrespect it.

So let's say Simon were a cop, and you were menacing at a store. Simon tells your leave and you don't, he makes you leave physically. Then while talking to those at the store you walk back in angry and making a scene again - where is his hand gonna go? To his firearm, because you came BACK and will now be arrested.

The irony here is palpable, you are demonstrating the very behavior that is causing so much trouble.

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God loves Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered People

by FusionTheism in

god's view of gays and lesbians.

why should anyone care what i have to say on this topic?

i am not a priest.

Jonathan Drake

Point blank, the Bible is against homosexuality. as the scriptures quoted in previous posts point out.
That's why I have a hard time figuring out what is in the mindset of those who are gay who have been ordained in the Methodist, Espocopalian and the other churches when the Bible clearly states its feeling on homosexuality. How do you take a vow to carry on the word of the Lord with those scriptures condemning homosexuality.

Hear, hear.

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God loves Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered People

by FusionTheism in

god's view of gays and lesbians.

why should anyone care what i have to say on this topic?

i am not a priest.

Jonathan Drake

Considering your mention of ancient mythologies vs. the Bible is interesting yet not quite the same.

It is the same, they are all fictitious stories. That's the extent of my comparison.

just like you wouldn't consult Homer for insights of universal truth, you should not consult the bible - they should fall under the same categorization.

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God loves Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered People

by FusionTheism in

god's view of gays and lesbians.

why should anyone care what i have to say on this topic?

i am not a priest.

Jonathan Drake

Why is this all-or-nothing, throw the baby out with the bathwater philosophy only applied to the Bible and not to the government or the Constitution?

You keep using this baby thing. I'm gathering that the baby here represents some truth in the bible and the bath water represents the bad.

Again, the bible claims to be the inerrant word of God. This is an aspect of Christian Faith. There isn't suppose to be ANY bath water to throw out. Has it occurred to you that you are calling God a liar every time you claim he doesn't know his own views and try to correct them for him? Because you are, he is GOD, and you are trying to convince people of views directly antithetical to his own expressed word.

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God loves Gay, Lesbian, and Transgendered People

by FusionTheism in

god's view of gays and lesbians.

why should anyone care what i have to say on this topic?

i am not a priest.

Jonathan Drake

Are you offended at the mention of the U.S. Constitution because the Founders owned slaves, or were Pro-Slavery?
Do you insist on rejecting anything to do with the Constitution?
Or, do you instead, try to improve the Constitution and get people to use modern morals to better interpret it?

There is no comparison here FT. The laws of the land have changed with the progression of morality, the bible has not. God himself states in the bible that he does not change (despite his contradictions throughout the bible).

The bible and Christianity both make the claim that the book is the inerrant word from God, that only by obeying gods expectations set out in the book will God approve of you and grant salvation. All who disobey his laws will be judged for their sins.

The constitution makes no such claims, and is amendable to a progressive culture. The bible would have us locked into an archaic time of stoning our children for being disrespectful.

What is it going to take for people to realize that they are holding on to an ancient peoples ignorant worldview and that because of so many doing this our society is suffering? If you would just honestly evaluate all the harms this book has brought our species both in the past and present, you'd be left with the truth - that the bible is no different from Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology, roman mythology, etc and deserves to be viewed just as fictitious.

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All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

by FusionTheism in

it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

below i will show these reasons.. .

the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

Jonathan Drake

Why is a literal Adam required when a literal prodigal son isn't required for Jesus' parable and a literal good Samaritan isn't required for that parable?

Without a literal Adam and Eve there is no original couple to pass on sin to all humanity. Without the Fall there is no necessity for the Messianic savior from the consequences of sin passed on from the fall.

The Christian Faith is absolutely non negotiable on Adam and Eve, but if possible all the more so on Jesus Christ being the messianic savior. The only means for salvation per the bible is belief in the Christ as the messiah. These are not allegory stories FT, the Christian Faith believes them literal truths.

You cannot make Adam and Eve allegory without also making allegory the story of Jesus, if that story is not literal then there is no life after death and no resurrection of the dead. There would be no point in the faith.